‘You should like what you are buying. Investment can’t be the immediate goal’: Kiran Nadar

How did the museum take birth in 2010?

By that time I had more artworks than I had space. Many works began going to storage and I felt it was more meaningful to let people see the collection. I began the museum with a collection of around 500 works and today I have 13,000-odd works. Initially, the collection was largely concentrated on the Progressive Artists’ but now I have many younger artists as well as major contemporaries such as Subodh Gupta, Bharti Kher, Anju and Atul Dodiya. I also have miniatures. I have a deep fondness for Raja Ravi Varma, so there is a huge collection of his work. It is an encyclopedic collection now and I think I have managed to fill the gaps that once existed. At one stage, I would collect a little more randomly but now I am selective. I don’t go after every work of every artist.

Have you ever sold a work?

I need to, but so far I haven’t had the heart. A lot of collectors do sell, but I haven’t sold a single work.

MF Husain’s Karbala will be part of KNMA’s immersive exhibition of The Rooted Nomad at the Magazzini del Sale in Dorsoduro, Venice in April (Credit: KNMA)

You buy a lot at auctions. Do you regret losing any bid? Also, you prefer phone bidding to being physically present in the auction room.

When you are in the room, you are conspicuous. Everyone knows it is you who was bidding; they might come to know later but being in that room can also be very stressful.

There have been works that I have missed at auctions but strange things have happened to me and many of them have somehow come to me later. For instance, I had bid for MF Husain’s Battle for Ganga and Jamuna at an auction but lost as an underbidder. Much later, when the Government was selling Nirav Modi’s art collection I realised that the work was there, and I acquired it.

Last year, you set a record for Indian art with your purchase of Amrita Sher-Gil’s The Story Teller for Rs 61.8 crore. Did you have a figure in mind when you started bidding?

I had set a limit for myself which was lower, but being at an auction can be addictive and this was a major work. I have a good collection of Amrita, but I always regretted missing a particular work that was offered to me for Rs 1.70 crore around 2003. I had taken the advice of someone who said it was too much and I, personally, was a bit scared as I had never paid more than a crore for an artwork till then. So I let it go and the same work was later auctioned for Rs 6 crore. Missing that work pinched me and when I saw The Story Teller it was of a similar genre and I wanted it to be part of the collection.

Do you still maintain caution, choosing not to exhibit works that might be considered explicit and thereby elicit controversy. Some years ago, you refrained from including FN Souza’s Rape in an exhibition for the same reason.

We are much more open today than we were five-six years ago, but some paintings I still wouldn’t show. I get a little nervous and don’t know if it would be a good idea to put banners like ‘Do not Enter’ and so on. We have shown some Souza works that have been explicit, but Rape I still might not. That would be the case with some other works as well.

There were conflicting views over your involvement with the exhibition ‘‘Jana Shakti: A Collective Power’’ at the National Gallery of Modern Art that commemorated 100 episodes of Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s radio show Maan Ki Baat. Any comments?

I was simply involved with the project in an advisory capacity.

KNMA is also exhibiting in Venice this year, coinciding with the Biennale. Could you share details of the exhibition?
We will be showing MF Husain. We are doing this show at the Magazzini del Sale in Dorsoduro. The exhibition is curated from the KNMA collection and includes his wooden toys and works such as Yatra. We are also presenting an immersive exhibition on Husain, designed by Visioni Eccentriche, that we later plan to exhibit at our new museum in Delhi.

One of the reasons you opened your museum at a mall in Delhi is because you thought it would be less intimidating for people to enter. On the verge of opening the standalone museum and culture centre, do you think people are now more keen to engage with art?

I would hope so. The art and culture centre is on a 100,000-square-metre site, with about 170,000-sq ft exhibition space, which is about the size of MOMA. It would allow us to show our permanent collection, curated exhibitions from the collection and also borrow shows.

Where does Indian art stand now? Do you think the price of modernists has peaked?

Art, at the moment, is on an upswing but when we compare ourselves to the world, we are still far away in terms of prices. There are some artists who have received great recognition but there is still great scope for Indian art. After the 2007 crash, the prices of Indian art also came down. The prices have certainly not peaked and there is a long way to go as is evident with every auction where prices are going higher.

How involved is your family with your purchases?

My husband has been very supportive. Now my daughter Roshini is also involved with the museum. She has in fact started building her own collection, paying for the works with her earnings.

Many youngsters are now beginning to collect art as an investment. What would be your advice to them?

People should like what they are buying and investment should not be the immediate goal. One can hope that it goes up, but that can’t be a priority.

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