The Supreme Court will take up the matter tomorrow, where senior advocate Sankaranarayanan will continue his submission.
Centre had earlier argued that the Sabarimala 2018 judgment proceeds on an assumption that men are superior and women occupy a lower pedestal. (File photo)Supreme Court on Sabarimala Women Entry Case Updates: The Supreme Court, on the sixth day of hearing on the Sabarimala women entry case, cautioned senior advocate J Sai Deepak from attacking the powers of judicial review, while pointing out that there are limitations.
The apex court has given this response to the arguments of Deepak, in which he submitted that the state does not include the judiciary in its judicial capacity, and therefore, the question of writ petitions challenging those practices on the ground that it violates any of those subjects to provisions does not even arise simply because those powers are limited to the state.
The matter will be next heard on April 22, with the continuation of the submission of the senior advocate Sankaranarayanan.
The apex court today was hearing the pleas concerning discrimination against women in religious places, including the Sabarimala temple, and the scope of religious freedom under the Constitution.
Nine-judge bench: Chief Justice of India Surya Kant will preside over the bench, which will include Justices B V Nagarathna, M M Sundresh, Ahsanuddin Amanullah, Aravind Kumar, Augustine George Masih, Prasanna B Varale, R Mahadevan and Joymalya Bagchi.
Questions for consideration: There are seven questions for consideration before the court:
- What is the scope and ambit of the right to freedom of religion under Article 25 of the Constitution of India?
- What is the interplay between the rights of persons under Article 25 of the Constitution and the rights of religious denominations under Article 26?
- Whether the rights of a religious denomination under Article 26 of the Constitution are subject to other provisions of Part III of the Constitution, apart from public order, morality and health?
- What is the scope and extent of the word ‘morality’ under Articles 25 and 26 of the Constitution, and whether it is meant to include constitutional morality?
- What is the scope and extent of judicial review of a religious practice under Article 25 of the Constitution?
- What is the meaning of the expression “Sections of Hindus” occurring in Article 25 (2) (b) of the Constitution?
- Whether a person not belonging to a religious denomination or religious group can question a practice of that religious denomination or religious group by filing a PIL?
What happened in the last hearing? In the last hearing so far, the arguments have been concluded on behalf of the Centre, temple devotee organisations and the Travancore Devaswom Board.
The apex court, on the fifth day of hearing, heard the submissions from senior advocates Rajeev Dhavan and V Giri. Advocate MR Venkatesh also argued on behalf of Aathmaartham Trust.
Venkatesh put forward before the court on the last hearing that in South India, women, when they undergo the biological process, voluntarily don’t enter temples. This is a non-written rule that even in the house, they don’t enter the puja room.
“When science ends, belief begins, and belief ends when science begins,” he added.
Dhavan, in his plea, pointed out that the freedom of conscience is mentioned separately from free religion. Therefore, there are two separate rights.
Justice Nagarathna asked Dhavan in his submission if there is any religion which can exist without having a denominational colour.
Senior advocate Giri, in his submission, said that for every religion, there is a manifestation.
“Manifestation in the Hindu religion is idol worship, considered as an integral and inalienable part. I don’t go to the temple, questioning whether the temple has the element of divinity,” he further mentioned.
Justice Amanullah said that building a temple is itself a manifestation.
Hearing concludes for the day.
Sankaranarayanan: My lord, I take the position that Article 26 is necessarily subject to Article 25 (2) (a) and (b). My lord, that is the only way to read Articles 25 and 26. My lord, let us look at the very foundation.
CJI: Can you repeat your stand on Articles 26 and 25?
Sankaranarayanan: I am saying, my lord, Article 26 is not a standalone article, which can survive reference to Article 25 (2) (a) and (b).
Sankaranarayanan: I am submitting for my lordship's consideration that we will need a slightly broader-based understanding of the word denomination. And if it is broadly construed, my lord, it does not offend anybody. It only guarantees equality to all religions.
Justice Nagarathna: There was one practising advocate. He wanted to take control of the Matha because the Matha Patti was a minor, and he was very young. The practising advocate, through his friend, got the power of attorney and all that and started misusing that power of attorney. There was a suit, and the power of attorney was terminated by the mattpati. And when the suit was there, all this happened and because the advocate there managed all that.
Sorry to say that...
And matter landed up here and now we are in seven judge..nine judge that is the genesis of the dispute there..
Senior adv. Gopal Sankaranarayanan has started the submission and has made three key arguments.
Deepak: Codification of a pre-existing religious practice by the state does not make the practice amenable to judicial review because it is not the exercise of the right under Article 25 (1) and (2), but limitations are imposed.
If the judiciary cannot or the courts cannot preside over constitutional challenges to practice themselves per se, merely because the state rolls that practice by way of legislation that does not make it amenable to review, is my humble submission.
Deepak: Public order, morality, and health, literally, are, in my humble submission, like akshayapatra. They are so broad, huge, and wide enough that any concern state may have with respect to social justice reform is capable of being accommodated within Article 26, without having to come through Article 25(2). And this is retaining the consistency of the argument, which is that 26 need not be affected by the 25 2…
Bench: Constitutional limitation under Article 25 (1), it limits your right to profess…subject to public order.
Deepak: I will come to this.
Bench: With an extent, you can say public order, morality, and health insofar as administer and manage the property…that actually will come.
Deepak: The state does not include the judiciary in its judicial capacity…therefore, the question of writ petitions challenging those practices on the ground that it violates any of those subjects to provisions does not even arise simply because those powers are limited to the state. And this could answer the question differently…
Justice Nagarathna's intervention: No, it enables the state to make laws to bring in social reform, such as, for example, entry. Now, the question here is not that the state has banned the entry as such, the state has made the law rule, because the custom there is a prohibition, in the Kerala Act and Rule. Instead of banning entry, the state has made a law promoting entry. But under the custom, there is a 3 b rule; there, it is an exception.
Deepak: In the process of entertaining those writ petitions, those challenges, again arp test cannot be applied, whichever route is, which is rewriting the rules of the religion, would be beyond the judicial review under Article 32 and 226, it is my humble submission. Since the question of rationality has been raised…
Justice Nagarathna: The power of the state does not extend to worship. It extends to practise.
Deepak: I am so grateful. Can I answer this question? Can I finish this, and I will straight answer this question.
CJI: The power of judicial review.. there is no need to attack on that power so much. We understand that limitations are there. But to say there is no power at all… may also be very difficult…
CJI: The state, in the name of social welfare, prohibits the religious practice, who will examine?
Senior advocate J Sai Deepak: The courts have been grappling since 1954 on the question of how do we interpret denomination. The Shirurmath has given the impression that denomination is something.. distinct and unique.
Senior advocate J Sai Deepak: I walk my lords to this history because this should answer more or less most of the questions that are put in relation to the following questions:
1. What is the relationship between Article 25 (2) and 26?
2. What is the meaning of a denominational institution?
3. Is the religious denomination different from a religious institution? What is this distinction?
Senior advocate J Sai Deepak's submission: He is asking the bench to look into the questions framed in his submission.
Senior advocate J Sai Deepak submission: One question that my lady had actually asked that I think is central to the relationship between Articles 25 and 26. If 26 is about the denomination under which the provisions of non-denominational institutions trace their rights? That was the central question that was asked. In my humble view, all of this turns in the history of Articles 25 and 26.
Senior advocate Deepak: I represent the Pandam family, which is the foster family of the deity itself, which is why I have something to say on the issue. I am also representing the Chetana, which is a women’s organisation that stands in support of the temple tradition. I also represent the All-India organisation of Ayappa Temple. I am also representing the Shirurmath in this matter. I also represent the Tantri of the Padmanabh Swami temple, who has a direct say with respect to the practice of the Sabarimala temple.
The bench is hearing the submission from the senior advocate J Sai Deepak.
Nine-judge bench assembles, hearing resumes
Hearing to resume after the break.
Senior adv Sankaranarayanan: If denomination a has a name or a particular type of faith or tradition, and it has an organisation, these are the three parameters of the test that it is a religious denomination. I would add the fourth. The fourth is that it can include syncritic or multi-belief systems. I Hindu, and my friends are a Muslim and a Christian, and we are going to form a new form of religion.
Chief Justice of India to senior advocate Gopal Sankaranarayanan: Your time will be over by 1 o’clock.
Senior advocate Gopal Sankaranarayanan: My lords, you are giving me a timeline for the first time. I am not going to repeat anything.. and I don't mean to take any more time until it is absolutely necessary.
Senior advocate Sankaranarayanan: For the spiritual aspect of a believer, I would say that right would come from Article 25 (1), but that is the spiritual side of me. But if I want to express myself in different fashions, whether I want to express myself in public, or I want to be in debate, or I want to write in a newspaper, all of them will come from Article 19 (1) (a).
Justice Nagarathna: Atheists do not believe in the existence of God, and agnostics believe in the higher strength of what you say, a higher kind of form, or something.
Senior advocate Sankaranarayanan: Actually, the atheist would be the strong opposer of it, but the agnost would say, look, it does not bother me in the least, but I am not singing on for it.
Senior adv Sankaranarayanan: When birth takes place, the expression state is in multiple forms, only one of which deals with religion, if I want to believe. I could easily be an agnostic or an atheist, in which case I don't want to believe. But still..
Bench: Agnost or an atheist does believe. It does not believe in the idea that there is a maker who has created that
Justice Bagchi: The arguments advanced till now are that I can't because I am a believer. That may be good for a generic, moral, or emotional playing. But when you come to an assertion on a legal and constitutional right, will Article 25 get colour from Article 19 (1) a and thereby must be read harmoniously with Article 26 (b) and not subordinated.
Justice Bagchi: Mr Gopal, wait, Article 19 (1) (a) expression with the word profess any religion in Article 25 (1).
Senior advocate Sankaranarayanan: The way I would read is this…
Justice Bagchi: 19 1 a expression to be a general law, whereas Article 25 (1) pertaining to professing religion, a special law, and thereby any professing of religion is governed by Article 25 (1) and not under the generic ambit of Article 19 (1) (a).
Senior adv Sankaranarayanan: That is absolutely (right)
Justice Bagchi: Because every professing a religion is an outward expression of an individual.
Justice Nagarathna: Also, keep in mind that the expression “untouchability” is within inverted commas. The Constitution framers have remind in it of “untouchability” bearing in mind that the historical..social practice that is what they had in mind they made it. Therefore, there is not any kind of prevention of nay kind..you see..
Senior advocate Sankaranarayanan: We have been seeing a lot about the temple entry because that is an issue in one case in this batch; there are other cases also in this batch, looking at different aspects. One is looking at mutilation, the other is looking at Parsi women marrying outside the community, and if she is allowed, entry into the fire temple. There are different issues that keep coming up at every stage, perhaps the issue of hijab in the school. There are multiple issues arising.
Senior advocate Sankaranarayanan: The second is bearing in mind what the specifically religious practices and issues are that we constantly see.
Senior advocate Sankaranarayanan: The approach that I am adopting is as follows. The first is to look at the larger scheme of the part three of the Constitution, in the backdrop of the religions and the denominations that populate this vast nation.
Senior advocate Sankaranarayanan: I think when the lordships are looking into the perspective of the nine judges, we are transporting ourselves back to 1950 effectively. And all the judgments that come before would possibly give the guidance, would give some template of what we are actually grappling with
Senior advocate Gopal Sankarnaryanan: The ladyship Justice Nagarathna, on the first day, asked what is the scope of the existing laws?
Senior advocate Gopal Sankarnaryanan starts the argument on behalf of one of the review petitioners.
Giri: Issue number four is regarding morality, my lord. I will not trouble you, my lordship. So much has been argued on that, my lord. Therefore, my lord, I don't want to trouble you.
Regarding issue seven, regarding the eligibility of the person not belonging to the religious denomination or religious group can question the practice of the religious denomination or religious group by filing a PIL
Justice Amanullah: Putting an extreme example. When we go so far down the road of faith and belief, (suppose) I go to a temple. My fundamental belief is that he's the Lord. He is my creator. He has created me, right? I go a hundred percent. I'm totally devoted, absolutely nothing, but pure in my heart. I go there. But there I'm told that because of your birth, of your lineage, a certain restriction, permanently you are not allowed to touch the deity. Now will the Constitution not come in the rescue?
Bench: If I am a believer, I may not be rational. Without going into all the aspects, it is possible that a believer at some time, in earlier years, thought that way. But a believer, now, with the advancement of technology, with the access to education, has put some thinking, having exposure to other philosophies, etc. Can we say if a believer believes, ok fine, you may not be a rational person using rationality.
Justice Nagarathna: In other words, a believer will not question the rationality of that practice. And it is no business for a non-believer to question it because he is a non-believer in any way.
Justice Sundresh: I understand I have to get into not as link with the practice they have. It is not for the moment we'll not take about the courts role. We talk about the enabling power being exercised… what court should do.. one is with respect to.. as a social reform or social welfare vis-a-vis the religious practice. So we can take your argument to that extent.. but so long as it is just connected to religious belief, please be very careful, don’t enter the arena is what you’re saying.
Justice M M Sundresh: As you rightly said, these are linked with practice. Article 25 (2) (b), they have the right to take action. For a moment, we are not talking about the court’s role. We are talking about the enabling power being exercised
Giri: If characteristics of deity is such that I cannot go there, if I am a woman… It has to be in sync with the characteristics of the deity and the characteristics of the deity as far as Sabrimala is concerned contemplates that the deity is permanent celibate.
Senior advocate V Giri: Citation of Seshmaal is also given separately. I beg to read it, my lord, so that it puts my submission in perspective.
The temples with which we are concerned are public religious institutions established in olden times. Some of them are Shaivism temples, and some are Vaishnavic temples, which means these temples have Shiva and Vishnu in their several manifestations.
Senior advocate V Giri: I have the right to practise my religion under Article 25 (1)..I should believe in the deity..
Senior advocate V Giri: The devotees surrender themselves to the deity and its divine concept in the temple.
Senior advocate V Giri: The Hindu religion considers the deity as a living being..The idol is free from all impurities that attach to it at tha hands of the artists..
Senior advocate V Giri: There should be no pollution or defilment of the image under any circumstances.
I am a slow learner, says senior advocate V Giri on being corrected by the bench over the names in the context of an ancient temple practise.
Senior advocate V Giri: Every Hindu deity has a characteristic of its own. The rituals and ceremonies followed in a temple would be either unique or at least peculiar to the temples, which come under the same category. The rituals are all said to be associated with the concept of the deity.
Senior advocate V Giri: An essential feature of Hinduism is to worship the idol. After the deity is installed, it should be worshipped daily according to the Hindu Shastras. The deity sought is considered a living being. Every Hindu deity has a characteristic of its own.
Senior advocate V Giri is referring to the practise of Hindu customs, the temple practises and the institution of the temple practises in ancient times.
Senior advocate V Giri: A deity is considered a living being and considered a juristic person.
Senior advocate V Giri, representing the Sabarimala Achara Samrakshna Samiti, continues the submission.
A nine-judge bench has resumed Day 6 hearing of the Sabarimala reference
In the last hearing, Justice Nagarathna said that the management of an institution is different from managing its own affairs in matters of religion.
In the last hearing so far, the arguments have been concluded on behalf of the Centre, temple devotee organisations and the Travancore Devaswom Board.
A nine-judge bench will shortly resume the Day 6 hearing of the Sabarimala reference
