Modi, Abe talk China, ties over dinner

Both India and Japan have long-standing border disputes with China, which have a deep impact on their relations.

Written by Shubhajit Roy | Kyoto | Updated: August 31, 2014 2:35 am
modi Narendra Modi and Shinzo Abe at a dinner meet in Kyoto. (Source: PTI)

While Modinomics and Abenomics dominated the conversation between Prime Minister Narendra Modi and his Japanese counterpart Shinzo Abe during a private dinner in this historic city, the two leaders are learnt to have discussed China in great detail and how the India-Japan partnership can be a “force for good” for the region. They also agreed to work together for “peace, stability and prosperity” in Asia and the world.

This assumes significance since Chinese President Xi Jinping is likely to visit India in the third week of September. In fact, Modi and Xi had a candid and useful conversation in July on the sidelines of the BRICS summit in Brazil. Both India and Japan have long-standing border disputes with China, which have a deep impact on their relations.

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In an oblique swipe at the previous regimes, Modi told Abe that the India-Japan ties were “far below potential” and expressed hope that the “two sides would strive to achieve in five years the unrealised potential of five decades”. In their first one-on-one meeting, sources said Abe spoke with great enthusiasm and strong conviction about India and the importance of India-Japan relations for Japan and the region. Modi, at this point, described Japan as one of India’s “closest” and “most important partners” and spoke about “his own admiration and affinity” for Japan and his “high hopes” from the relationship.

They met at the Kyoto State Guest House, which was built in 2005 for the purpose of welcoming foreign guests, for helping them understand Japan and for deepening friendship with Japan. While this was their first meeting since May, the two leaders have had a rapport for many years now, since Modi visited Japan as the Gujarat CM.

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Sources privy to the discussions at the traditional dinner said both leaders spoke with “great optimism” about a robust future for India-Japan economic partnership. They spoke about the opportunities before both countries to inject “new momentum and energy in their economies”.

Abe, sources said, expressed confidence that — “under Modi” — India’s economic transformation would gather strong momentum. An economically resurgent India would be of “great strategic importance to the region and the world, and an inspiration for democratic forces around the world”, the Japanese PM is learnt to have said.

The two leaders also had an extensive exchange of views on the developments in the region and the world.

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    Anil Bharali
    Aug 31, 2014 at 11:40 am
    This appears as paid anti Chinese campaign.
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      velocitybox
      Aug 30, 2014 at 9:51 pm
      I am a Chinese working as a China analyst at a think tank. It is becoming more and more apparent to many people, that the ruling Chinese Communist Party (CCP) knows it is on its last straw of survival.The party is facing severe and endlessly increasing systematic stress on all fronts:1. Increasing external oppositions from all other countries in the world including all of China's neighbors. They are forming more and more alliances and becoming more outspoken with rising strengths against China, in addition to increasing anti-China sentiment from people in all other countries. Many countries including Canada and Australia and U.S. have just tightened their immigration policy to prevent Chinese from entering their countries. Even on these casual internet message boards, when you look past the paid Chinese propaa professional commenters, you notice rising general anti-China feelings from all over the world.2. Increasing internal severe and mive violent social unrest and anti-CCP mutiny from people of all Chinese living places. To beat down internal dissent in mainland China, the CCP every year is forced to spend even more money than on its mive military budget. All the semi-external places (Hong Kong, Xinjiang, Tibet, Macau) are fighting harder and harder to break free from China. Taiwan is for all practical purposes already a separate democratic country, and anti-China sentiment there (especially among younger Taiwanese generation) is at all-time high after seeing how China violently suppress Hong Kong as an example of "reunification". This w situation is continuously worsened by the free flow of information, with Chinese people knowing more and more from travelling abroad and learning about truths from jumping beyond the "Great Fire Wall" on the internet.3. Its own economy and social system never able to advance to higher level beyond m skill-less manufacturing, due to complete absence of law and common morals. High technology and innovations and scientific development all require many citizens working together voluntarily contributing long term in a system they trust, with things like rule of law, no censorship on knowledge, no restrictions on speech and expression, copyrights, patents, common morals when collaborating and trading with each other etc. These qualities are all destro in modern China by the CCP. When was the last time you heard an announcement of technology development or innovations or scientific breakthrough coming from a Chinese organization / company / university? You haven't because there ain't any. Unlike m manufacturing factory work, high level human developments cannot be forced on or bought with a dictator's central planning. The only way modern China gets these things is from stealing and spying from all other countries, but that has become much more difficult since the w world has caught on to their act.This systematic fatal flaw is why you do not see even one Chinese b or company that can compete in the international market in any industry of the human race. For example Lenovo, who is already one of the few Chinese bs some people may have heard of, cannot make either the chips that power their computers or the operating system that run them, so it is just one of many plain vanilla boxmakers without any compeive advantage. Another example Huawei is blacklisted by many countries and international customers because everyone knows Huawei's products send all communication data back to the CCP. This is also why China cannot produce even one home-grown science Nobel Prize winner in its history. No rule of law in China also means no people or businesses, both Chinese and foreign, ever invest in China long-term or on a large scale because everything frequently change on a whim along with the political climate. No one trusts any contract or agreement in China because they are always broken by the Chinese and there is no legal protection whatsoever, meaning China can never advance to a knowledge economy or service economy. No rule of law also ensures Shanghai fail to become a financial city despite the CCP dumping huge resources into it for 30 years.4. China's m skill-less manufacturing itself is going away to other countries due to sharply increasing costs and openly hostile and unfair business environment full of frauds and sanctioned protectionism and government robberies. The labor force is endlessly more demanding both in wages and benefits expectations and working conditions, especially since all of today's Chinese workers are single child used to coddling and indulgement by their own family. It is further worsened by the rise of robotic automatic manufacturing and 3D printing. This situation is a death knock to the "growth-based legitimacy" of the CCP, which is the only thing CCP can rely on for continuing ruling power. For sure Chinese people tolerate the CCP when the economy seemingly explodes, but when one day it crashes and the country's hopeless bad shape hit them in the face the people's "support" for the CCP will turn on a dime.Since six months ago, all the major economic indicators for China have gone on a continuing nosedive - including manufacturing orders, export volume, commercial investments, graduate employment rate, corporate credits, foreign capital inflow, domestic consumptions, real estate prices, consumer spendings, luxury goods demand, HSBC Service PMI, survey of business sentiments etc. Suddenly all the rich Chinese tourists gobbling up luxury goods at different world cities seem to have disappeared altogether. The CCP is on its last resort of printing literally trillions of worthless renminbi to dump into the economy, causing way more long-term harm than short-term help, and when that is over there is nothing else the CCP can do to prop up the failing economy. China currently ranks 82nd on GDP per capita and that is the highest it can go before falling sharply in the coming near future.5. Fierce unstoppable purges and mutually-destructive infighting among different factions within the party, who are imprisoning and killing each other every day. This power grab goes on under the laughable thin guise of "anti-corruption drive" when everyone knows all officials in china are corrupted. No work to manage the country or guide the ship is being done while this is going on.6. Its many previously-suppressed fatal problems have all grown too big to be contained all catching up to the CCP e.g.- severe carcinogenic poisonous pollution everywhere in air and water and soil and their own food etc, with the WHO issuing multiple warnings on Chinese potion having the fastest cancer growth rate in the w world- skyrocketing unrepayable bad debts of all kinds everywhere, its true scope no one on Earth knows because all data from China are faked- biggest housing bubble in human history, in addition to innumerous crumbling "ghost cities" and shoddily-built vanity project "GDP-creating" infrastructure that cannot and will not be used- rapidly aging demographics with a 140:100 male:female ratio (from one child policy, culture of "leftover women", and many Chinese families killing their own daughters so as to chase boys)- world's no.1 wealth inequality, with a Gini coefficient rivaling 18th century France just before the French revolution- complete absence of soft power / cultural influence / social attraction, partly due to CCP censorship. One result of which is minimal and sharply dwindling number of foreign professionals and tourists and students going to China. It also means the CCP only has force as the only tool to use on the international stage- all Chinese chasing foreign-b goods and services while ditching low-quality Chinese-bs, who have a well known history of poisoning their own food and their own baby formula so as to make more money. This dashs CCP's hope to build indigenous industries and a domestic consumption economy- corruptions and fraud throughout the w rotten core of a system- desperate m exodus at all levels of Chinese society to escape the country using emigration or buying houses / study abroad or marriage to foreigners or plain old human smuggling, resulting in all able Chinese leaving taking huge amounts of talents and money out of the country- the law of large numbers, "middle-income trap" and "Minsky moment" all work against the growth-based legitimacy CCP desperately needs for its survivalMost importantly, the CCP knows that if 1.4 billion Chinese learn about basic human qualities such as morals, truth, justice, human rights, rule of law, fairness, freedom, universal values etc the CCP will be toppled very quickly. Therefore its state-controlled brainwashing education and propaa machinations ensure a complete lack of morals and regard for laws in all Chinese growing up and beyond. This results in failure in all basic aspects of human interactions with every modern Chinese, whether it is business trading / personal dealings / technology development / creating innovations / human communications / scientific research / artistic expressions / teamwork collaborations / academic exchange etc. Another propaa brainwashing technique used by the CCP is to make all Chinese people pathologically nationalistic and very emotional on this issue, so the CCP can always create and point to some "foreign enemies" so as to hide all the domestic crises and government robberies going on. This attention-diverting technique is the same trick magicians have used for more than a thousand years to fool their audience.An interesting example would be the Chinese reaction to this report - they are expected to dismiss this report as total rubbish, accuse the author "unpatriotic" for saying the truth, shout China will only become richer and stronger than all other countries, yet they will give no counter-arguments and they will make no acknowledgement to the horrible factual conditions and complete lack of basic human qualities listed above in modern China. Ironically, the longer Chinese people deny or refuse to acknowledge the CCP problem, the longer they are only digging themselves into the and hurting themselves for any chance of recovery, causing the chinese economy to crash even further. Consider the example of Google, Facebook, Wikipedia, Youtube, Whatsapp, Twitter, Instagram etc - these services are all completely blocked in China while at the same time the rest of the planet are on these services every second communicating ideas with each other, making friends, exchanging knowledge, doing business, working together, improving science and technology and arts, and advancing humanity.Some people say China economically developed a lot in past 20 years, but the truth is this "development" is actually debt borrowed against the future. After the 1989 Tiananmen Square macre of their own students, in order to survive and hang on to power, the CCP was forced to pursue short-term explosive economic growth that sacrifice everything else, including a foundation or potential for long-term economic and social development. This "scorched earth" policy is like winning the lottery for corrupted CCP officials who can rob a lot of money from the country in the short-term before escaping to America. The only eny left to suffer is China's future from this point on, a country that has been turned by the CCP into a place with no law, no morals, no system for future scientific or economic or social development, no spiritual support apart from money, no trust or cooperation among Chinese, no trust or goodwill from foreigners, no other country as friends, all resources sold away cheaply, entire environment and air and water and soil and food fatally polluted, only social recognition is to make a lot of money for "face", no creativity or personal development for Chinese young people, a populus not allowed to know the truths and not allowed to say the truths.The end result is that majority wealth of this "debt borrowed against the future" has gone to the 0.0000001% elite ruling cl "princeling" CCP families (about 250 of them) who have already smuggled trillions of dollars abroad along with their U.S. pports and their own children (all Chinese elites and Politburo members hold foreign pports, with U.S. and U.K. being the most sought after choice). For the CCP in 1989, 1.4 billion people is great central-planning et when the country start from nothing and you order them to do backbreaking m manufacturing repeive factory work 20 hours a day without workers protection of any kind. But in the 2014 borderless knowledge economy when that no longer works, 1.4 billion immoral and uncooperative and selfish and undeveloped and angry Chinese contained in a lawless system without any hopes of growth is very, very dangerous liability for the CCP.All debts against the future have to be paid back - China is no exception. That moment may arrive a bit later than expected but it surely will come, as it has on 100% of occasions in human history. In normal countries bad conditions correct themselves with short periods of market ups and downs, but in China the CCP suppress all problems and criticisms until inevitable system meltdown. For China the moment has arrived to suffer the consequences for all its own chosen actions in past 30 years. All the festering fundamental systematic problems listed above and much more, are only getting worse and worse everyday until one day when the system can suddenly no longer bear.Think USSR in 1989.( Cliff notes summary for the smartphone generation with ADD, ADHD and Asperger's:- The Chinese Communist Party (CCP) signed a deal with the devil to pursue miraculous short-term economic growth- Miraculous short-term economic growth has been achieved, now China has hit the wall on its path of no return, many bad conditions have caught up- CCP cannot go on externally, it cannot go on internally, economy has no way to go but greatly down, many fatal cancers and huge structural problems from the past now overwhelming the country- Something has to break, what happens is anyone's guess, guaranteed to greatly impact China and the world )
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        Raj gopal
        Aug 31, 2014 at 1:59 am
        an and anese have remained trustworthy like always. Now it is for India to decide the shape of our future relationship with them.
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          Raj gopal
          Aug 31, 2014 at 2:02 pm
          Oho! But I am reminded by the saying that all that glittets is not gold or all that appears is not truth.
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