Pakistan, India can’t remain in this phase, need to come out, says Pak envoy Abdul Basit

“If India is ready, Pakistan will be willing. But if India is not ready, we can always wait. India has to make up its mind,” Basit said.

Written by Rakesh Sinha , Shubhajit Roy | New Delhi | Updated: October 7, 2016 1:08 pm
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In first remarks after India announced that it had conducted surgical strikes against terror launch pads along the Line of Control, Pakistan High Commissioner Abdul Basit said Monday that the two countries need to “talk to each other, break the ice”.

In an interview to The Indian Express, Basit said, “If India is ready, Pakistan will be willing. But if India is not ready, we can always wait. India has to make up its mind.” Seeking to lower the temperature, the Pakistan envoy said “war is not really a solution to our problems” and there is “no room for conflict in a nuclear environment”.

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He said both countries need to “bring diplomacy to centrestage” and “rather than talking at each other, it is important that you talk to each other”. But “if you immediately start saying Pakistan is a terrorist state… then you do not leave any room for cooperation,” he said.

On terror attacks in Jammu and Kashmir and the apprehension of a further slide in relations, Basit said “there are huge stakes involved” on either side and there is “need to have serious, sustained diplomacy” because both countries cannot “remain in this phase indefinitely” and “need to come out”.

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Reiterating his country’s position that “no surgical strike” took place and there was only “cross-LoC firing”, he said the Baramulla attack could not be called a retaliation since there was “no strike” in the first place.

On the attacks in Uri and Baramulla, he said “violence anywhere does not serve our purpose” but the “Kashmir issue needs to resolved, and cannot be brushed under the carpet”.

Asked about Pakistan Defence Minister Khawaja Asif’s threat to use nuclear weapons against India, Basit distanced himself from the comment, saying “such statements we have seen here in India also”. “Both our countries understand war is not really a solution to our problems and there is simply no room for conflict in a nuclear environment,” he said.

“It is important to avoid raising false expectations, as happened after the cross-LoC firing on September 29. We cannot afford to go down that route. Statements are made, but I think both countries do understand (the) serious implications of escalating the situation either horizontally or vertically,” he said.

To a query on the Indian soldier in Pakistani custody — on the day it announced the surgical strike, India said the soldier had strayed across and was not connected to the operation along the LoC — Basit said he was not aware of any “arrest at this point”.

“I do not know if we have made any arrest… I think this was raised by your DGMO with our DGMO this morning but so far, at least I do not know if a soldier has been arrested by Pakistan,” he said.

Calling Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s trip to Lahore and Pakistan Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif’s visit to Delhi for Modi’s swearing-in ceremony as “useful optics”, he said despite these “good gestures”, the two countries have not been able to engage in a substantive dialogue process.

“Optics are important, especially in (the) Pakistan and India context, but you cannot rest your entire engagement on optics, optics should lead to substance… Our PM came here to attend (Modi’s) oath-taking ceremony, all these were optics, useful optics, I would say. Those optics did help to break the ice, provided us space to move forward, but then unfortunately in the last two-and-a-half years, we haven’t been able to engage in a substantive dialogue process,” he said.

The Pakistan envoy said he has been in touch with Indian political leaders of “all hues”.

“I am in touch with politicians of all hues. You know, politicians, whether they are in Pakistan or India, they all want a good relationship… Pakistan policy should not be driven by domestic political compulsion. When that happens, you see too many ups and downs, so we also need to get out of this,” he said.

On the postponement of the SAARC summit in Islamabad and the prospect of regional isolation, he said, “Pakistan is too big a country to be isolated, so we are not worried about that, and I am sure good sense will prevail and (we) will host the 19th SAARC summit, at an appropriate time, so we are also positive… Pakistan will be able to host it…if not this year, hopefully next year.”

Asked about Jaish-e-Mohammad chief Maulana Masood Azhar, he said: “We need to move beyond the usual whining and whinging. Masood Azhar, if there is any solid evidence against him, he would have been on the list by now. I think China is always very correct on these matters, so I do not see any problem. If India does have any evidence, then they should share (it) with us and China. Things can be taken forward, but simply on the basis of allegations, you cannot achieve results.”

Basit’s remarks come days after External Affairs Minister Sushma Swaraj told the UN General Assembly that India had never set any condition for dialogue but only tried to strengthen ties, “but in return has got Pathankot, Uri…”

“The Prime Minister of Pakistan… said that India has placed pre-conditions for talks which are not acceptable to him. What pre-conditions? Did we impose any pre-condition before extending an invitation for the oath-taking ceremony of our Government? Did we impose any pre-condition when I went to Islamabad for the Heart of Asia conference and agreed to begin the Comprehensive Bilateral Dialogue? Did we impose any pre-condition when Prime Minister Modi travelled from Kabul to Lahore? What pre-conditions?” Swaraj had said.

“We took the initiative to resolve issues not on the basis of conditions, but on the basis of friendship. We have, in fact,
attempted a paradigm of friendship in the last two years which is without precedent. We conveyed Eid greetings to the Prime Minister of Pakistan, wished success to his cricket team, extended good wishes for his health and well being. Did all this come with pre-conditions attached? And what did we get in return? Pathankot, Bahadur Ali, and Uri. Bahadur Ali is a terrorist in our custody, whose confession is a living proof of Pakistan’s complicity in cross-border terror. But when confronted with such evidence, Pakistan remains in denial,” Swaraj had said.

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    Ikok
    Oct 4, 2016 at 10:36 am
    Dr Kumar .. Hence proved cow pee drinking makes a healthy brain then eating its beef
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      Sam
      Oct 4, 2016 at 9:53 pm
      How does this clown suggest India get rid of terrorists in stan? Maybe the solution is that India take them out for stan and stan get out of PoK.
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        tom vivag
        Oct 4, 2016 at 8:03 am
        3 wars did not teach stan how to behavelt;br/gt; They do not know any other language prevail in civil society
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          Common sense
          Oct 4, 2016 at 4:18 pm
          Are you including the one where we snatched "azad kashmir" from right under your noses?....and that also from a country 7 times bigger than us......that is 7 times the shame.
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            Common sense
            Oct 4, 2016 at 4:16 pm
            It's swings and roundabouts.......don't forget stan was the bigger economy from independence till the 90's.....really fed up of all this look where we are and where you are......
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              adag
              Oct 4, 2016 at 8:02 am
              Why dont stan make Azad Kashmir a free country. Let the new country decide what needs to happen. Why are they waiting for India.
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                a s
                Oct 4, 2016 at 3:11 am
                This reflects they are in great extent in psychologically imbalanced state now.Let them stay in isolation and persuade other countries to follow the line.Let them live with China only. LetThe dragon to intrude and collect every pound of flesh and blood out of them
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                  akanksha
                  Oct 4, 2016 at 4:40 am
                  Why is stan hiding behind China If tension is between India and stan?India should keep the present fire burning...as this is the last solution left with india
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                    anoop sindhwani
                    Oct 4, 2016 at 6:02 am
                    SID IS CORRECT.FIRST THINGS FIRST, STOP TERROR NETWORK FROM STAN SOIL. PERIOD!lt;br/gt;ALL ELSE WILL FALL IN PLACE.
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                      vijay khanna
                      Oct 4, 2016 at 5:55 am
                      It will be foolish for Indian Govt. to go back and talk on Kashmir. Kashmir belongs to India and stan has no right to even talk about any sympathy about muslims in kashmir. it should talk about, if stan wants, about all 22 million muslims in india and desute muslims in africa too. yes, if stan wants to return POK, then India should talk.
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                        Rajiv
                        Oct 4, 2016 at 10:38 pm
                        Oh but my dear Mr.Basit..stan IS a terrorist state. No one in the world can deny that except the ISI..the stan Army,Miyan Nawaz Sharif and Yourself !lt;br/gt;And we will not talk to terrorists . So there !
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                          vijay
                          Oct 4, 2016 at 3:48 am
                          First, you wipe the silly smile off you face and try to look act act as a diplomat.Second study the history of Kashmir before going on a tangent parroting Indian occupied Kashmir and understand kashmir is India. Thirdly,tell your generals to climb down from their high horses and there is a new sheriff in Delhi who will kick es if any body transgress the LOC.lt;br/gt;After doing all that Put your proposal for talk with full agenda and what is that you want to achieve and what is that you bring to the table. Understand?
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                            avatar
                            Oct 4, 2016 at 2:30 am
                            It is time Bharat becomes self sufficient in manufacturing of Submarines Destroyers Tanks Aircrafts Missiles and its parts now.lt;br/gt;lt;br/gt;Kill article 370 at this very moment and have unified civil code. No special rights for any. No quota for any. Enforce 100% laws and no backward cl for ever. If people of backward cl are discriminated against, put your foot down and eliminate totally the culprits who practice this. But no no hi did it?! So if he did did it, so now you boy undo it.lt;br/gt;lt;br/gt;Bharat needs now to expend exponentially in all fields and need the talents of country as w and now a few. Put it on war footing.lt;br/gt;lt;br/gt;Always not now atude to be dumped. The ambador hs crooked mind and has forked tongue to put wool over gullibles' eyes. lt;br/gt;lt;br/gt;Prithviraj Chauhan should have killed Mohamed Ali Ghori the first time. If the Chino Pako ever move an inch in Bharat, give it all you have. Show them What Lord Krishna told Arjun-Kill evil. Have faith in God. Satyam evam Jayate. The forked tongued Amb is just buying time to stab the country in back to destruction.These are criminal back stabbers and cry foul ruthless morales deficient thugs.Nehru trusted Chinos and Pakos and he got bamboozled with the Indians lock stock and barrel-the w nation.lt;br/gt;lt;br/gt;Do not you s do it again. First time shame on you, thousands of times next, shame on butchered.lt;br/gt;lt;br/gt;Trust but verify and keep your options all open in a few seconds or get totally annihilated.
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                              Bhabal
                              Oct 4, 2016 at 7:43 am
                              Basit Miyan...You are talking this after Surgical attack. Now you want to talk. How about atom bob attack? lt;br/gt;Actually you do not want to do anything apart from buying some time and keep sending terrorist. This is all fiasco.
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                                Bakumbai
                                Oct 4, 2016 at 2:58 pm
                                Watch Han Nisar in Pak TV to understand the state of stan. Nisar is now one of the best columnists and journalists .
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                                  Brahm Gaur
                                  Oct 4, 2016 at 3:26 am
                                  stan want to take the revenge of Bangladesh. You supported the spliting of stan, we will support spliting of India. stan can try that for next million years. It is not going to happen. Yes there are chances that stan would split into few more.
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                                    Amit Sahay
                                    Oct 4, 2016 at 2:20 am
                                    Ohh my God, See this motor mouth now, where was this restraint when he declared Yeh Azaadi Kashmir ke Naam. Suddenly your Arrogance is giving way to sanity!!!
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                                      ch.srinivasa rao
                                      Oct 4, 2016 at 6:19 pm
                                      Every year potion of india increases at 2% comes to 24 milliom potion where as pak potion only 4 million will increase.you cant do any thingdians spreading w world wide.
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                                        Bir Chilarai
                                        Oct 4, 2016 at 12:17 pm
                                        4 wars, including the one in which we tore that stupid country in half.
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                                          Bir Chilarai
                                          Oct 4, 2016 at 12:10 pm
                                          This phase suits India fine because the focus is on eliminating terror outfits supported and funded by stan. Focus is on hurting stan economically, politically and physically and on puncturing stani smugness. See how Khwaja Asif the has gone strangely quiet. But yes, this phase does not suit stan and is very bad for stan. It will stay that way until things change fundamentally in stan.
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                                            sid
                                            Oct 4, 2016 at 5:41 am
                                            First let stan remove all the terrorists present in their country then we should think of talking.
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