India draws red line on Kashmir to Erdogan: Bilateral, about terror

PM Modi said both sides have agreed to work together to strengthen cooperation “bilaterally” and “multilaterally” to effectively counter terrorism

Written by Shubhajit Roy | New Delhi | Published:May 2, 2017 3:08 am
Modi, Erdogan in New Delhi on Monday. Renuka Puri

A day after Turkey’s President Recep Tayyip Erdogan advocated a “multilateral dialogue” to settle the Jammu and Kashmir question, Prime Minister Narendra Modi on Monday said that both sides have agreed to work together to strengthen cooperation “bilaterally” and “multilaterally” to effectively counter terrorism. While Kashmir was not mentioned in the prepared statements by either Modi or Erdogan, India drew the red line that Kashmir is a “bilateral” issue between India and Pakistan and that it sees the dispute through the prism of “cross-border and state-sponsored terrorism” being perpetrated by Pakistan in the Valley.

Asked if Erdogan mentioned mediation on J&K during his meeting with Modi, MEA spokesperson Gopal Baglay said: “Our position is very clear and it was mentioned to them that Kashmir is an integral part of India. Terrorism was discussed in detail and they were told that in Kashmir, we have been victims of cross-border and state-sponsored terrorism. We have been ready to talk to Pakistan bilaterally on not just Kashmir but also terrorism and other outstanding issues. And we are ready to hold talks on Kashmir bilaterally, as stipulated in Shimla Agreement and Lahore declaration.”

Asked what the Turkish president’s response, he said, “They listened very carefully with care and attention”. After the bilateral talks, which lasted over two hours, Erdogan condemned the Naxal attack on CRPF personnel on April 24 in Sukma and “terrorism”, but did not mention Kashmir or the attacks in J&K. “I wholeheartedly condemn the attack in Sukma. We can relate to your pain and suffering,” he said.

The only veiled reference to Kashmir and Pakistan was when Modi said, “We also shared perspectives on developments in our region.” Erdogan said India would always have Turkey’s full solidarity in the fight against terrorism. He said terrorist organisations want to launch their propaganda over the suffering of people and are willing to create a future for themselves out of their victims’ pain — a reference to Fethullah Gulen’s organisations.

“We live in times where our societies face new threats and challenges every day. The context and contours of some of the existing and emerging security challenges globally is our common concern,” said Modi. “In particular, the constantly evolving threat from terrorism is our shared worry. I held an extensive conversation with the President on this subject. We agreed that no intent or goal, no reason or rationale can validate terrorism.”

“The nations of the world, therefore, need to work as one to disrupt the terrorist networks and their financing and put a stop to cross-border movement of terrorists. They also need to stand and act against those that conceive and create, support and sustain, shelter and spread these instruments and ideologies of violence. The President and I agreed to work together to strengthen our cooperation, both bilaterally and multi-laterally, to effectively counter this menace,” said Modi, trying to make a point about the role of Pakistan, Turkey’s close ally, in cross-border terrorism in India.

According to the joint statement issued on Monday, “The two leaders reiterated their strong condemnation of and resolute opposition to terrorism in all its forms and manifestations, wherever committed and by whomever and declared that there could be no justification for terrorism anywhere. Both sides urged all countries and entities to work sincerely to disrupt terrorist networks and their financing, and stop cross-border movement of terrorists.”

The statement also said that both leaders “strongly condemned the use of double standards in addressing the menace of terrorism and agreed to strengthen cooperation in combating terrorism both at the bilateral level and within the multilateral system. In this regard, they called for early conclusion of negotiations on the Comprehensive Convention on International Terrorism.”

The contentious issue of Turkey’s support to both India and Pakistan for membership of the Nuclear Suppliers Group (NSG) was also not mentioned by either of the leaders. While Turkey has insisted on a criteria-based approach — much like China — it is one of the few countries to draw an equivalence between India and Pakistan’s NSG applications.

In this regard, there was no signal of support to India on NSG in the joint statement. Modi thanked Erdogan for Turkey’s support for India’s membership of the MTCR and “applications to join the Nuclear Suppliers Group” and Wassenaar Arrangement. Erdogan also raised the issue of alleged Gulenist presence in India. “I know India will take necessary measures to expel FETO from her territory once and for all,” he said, with Modi listening in. While the Turkish side has been raising the issue since last July, Indian officials have said they have “noted” their concerns but have not acted on it so far.

“As far as Turkish concerns of FETO… they were mentioned to us. Any organisation in India, whether Indian or foreign, has to work within the parameters of our law and norms and regulation,” said Baglay. The two sides also discussed economic ties. The two leaders have set a target of US $10 billion, up from the existing US $6 billion, by 2020.

“President (Erdogan) and I are clear that the strength of our economies presents an enormous opportunity to expand and deepen commercial linkages between our countries. I also feel that at the level of the two governments, we need to approach the entire landscape of business opportunities in a strategic and long-term manner. Our bilateral trade turnover of around $6 billion does not do full justice to convergences in our economies. Clearly, the business and industry on both sides can do much more,” said Modi.

Modi said they discussed the need for comprehensive UN reforms, including expansion of the Security Council to make the body more representative, accountable and effective. “Both of us recognise the need for the UN Security Council to reflect the world of the 21st century and not of the century gone by,” he said.

The two sides signed three pacts on culture, training and information technology. Erdogan also met External Affairs Minister Sushma Swaraj, Vice President Hamid Ansari and was hosted by President Pranab Mukherjee for a banquet.

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    Joydeep
    May 2, 2017 at 10:26 am
    Feku forcibly hugging Erdogan. Ha ha ha.
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      Naren
      May 2, 2017 at 9:13 am
      Besides this clear position China- stan are playing their game, ex. is CPEC. And where goees the Indian culture of Namaste/ Namaskar??
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        RR
        May 2, 2017 at 8:59 am
        Notice one thing ...Modi forcibly tries to hug and show closeness to any international leader whom he meets. Zabardasti ka gali lagta hai. Sach me bahut chep insaan hai ye. Kam kuch karna nahi aata , kewal show baazi.
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          Rahul
          May 2, 2017 at 9:44 am
          Accha? Isse pahale jo gale nahi lagaaye, unhone kyaa ughaad liya? Khud kuch nahi karte the, aur koi kiyo to criticism leke aate hai!
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            Mohammad Dar
            May 2, 2017 at 9:44 am
            hindu homo ual by faith, trying to get feel of men, a bad habit, since he left his wife, for another man, as his husband.
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            Krishnan
            May 2, 2017 at 8:37 am
            It seems the Sultan came to realize the shaky ground he was treading - maybe India could have arm-twisted Turkey much more and got them to openly condemn P a ki stan. Regardless, big difference noted between his rhetoric before stepping into India and after. I don't get why India does not use her sheer economic size to her ki ller advantage.
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              erdogan's baap
              May 2, 2017 at 8:34 am
              erdogan must worry about his own country, instead of lecturing India
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                Satyajit Panda
                May 2, 2017 at 8:32 am
                Muslims are the test uglyest religeon in the earth.so buturing them in gujurat up as well as am rajastan is 100 right
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                  Michelle:Vedic:human
                  May 2, 2017 at 8:18 am
                  IS-LAM is not a faith but a derogatory term used by the PROPHATE M the PEDO to insult his own WAHABI as a slave of the desert subcontinent, check it out, it does not exist before 1400yrs Arab literature, but based on pre-Sanskrit , meaning negative, a rape great, HanPEDO M, to be in greatest ra-P-ist, noun in negativity to the truth, and IS-LAM way of the negativity to the truth,no original name of the desert filth cult, based on saitan's , to be wise, or wisdom, Noe stop being filth desert MUZZIE , and call themselves a WAHABI slave, path of the saitan's . so it is time to curse,MUZZIES, ignorant by birth. A gift of saitan by nature,---Jai hind.
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                    Truth
                    May 2, 2017 at 7:37 am
                    Kashmir aside, we wonder how "bilateral" are the "hugs" that our PM extends to every country leader he meets ;)
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                      ah
                      May 2, 2017 at 8:46 am
                      LOL ................
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                        Rahul
                        May 2, 2017 at 9:45 am
                        Foth "Truth", "True Indian" "Ah" and their pathetic ilk, etc, our PM refers to nawaz sharif...
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                        Ankush Dey
                        May 2, 2017 at 7:34 am
                        Erdogan's interview before leaving for India and the joint statement make one thing clear, that Turkey respects India's sensitivity over Kashmir and therefore there was no mention of Kashmir by Erdogan while in India. The reason he tread in to Kashmir, like others, was to extract political mileage and to get Indian govt to act against FETO. Kashmir has become a bargaining chip for Pak, China, Turkey and the few others! India each time makes its stand clear, however, we must force UK to come out and openly tell the world that India's right over Kashmir (including Gilgit-Baltistan) is supreme/final.
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                          George Cruz
                          May 2, 2017 at 8:43 am
                          Turkey is interested in profiteering from the CPEC (China stan economic Corridor) wherein China has proposed to invest $40blns dollars. India is opposed to this CPEC because it p es through the POK which is a disputed territory which India has also claims.
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                          secure
                          May 2, 2017 at 7:24 am
                          Kashmir is a integral part of India nut not Lashmiri, due to which we pelletes and others we use lathis to dis .
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                            Curious onlooker
                            May 2, 2017 at 6:55 am
                            Asked what the Turkish president’s response, he said, “They listened very carefully with care and attention”. After the bilateral talks, which lasted over two hours, Erdogan condemned the Naxal attack on CRPF personnel on April 24 in Sukma and “terrorism”, but did not mention Kashmir or the attacks in J&K. This one paragraph says it all, and GOI's optism on bilateral cooperation on Kashmir terrorism with Turkey appears misplaced.
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                              indian
                              May 2, 2017 at 6:46 am
                              Turkey is almost kicked out of EU, not they are attempting to enter BRICS. Beware!
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                                Krish
                                May 2, 2017 at 6:41 am
                                The truth is while India punches much below for her weight Turkey tries to do that far above its weight living in its past glory of Ottoman Empire. Turkey has to remember that even if she wants to air some super power complex, stan will listen to her only if it endorses its position and will reject anything which is not acceptable to do her. She has to remember the fact that what USA cannot achieve she won't be able to. Krish
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                                  George Cruz
                                  May 2, 2017 at 6:31 am
                                  The PM Modi is 100 correct in drawing the red line on Kashmir because the J&K is and has been an integral part of India since the 1947, India has to standby by its interests first , and this President Recep Tayyip Erdogan who is a thug and a dictator trying to score political points with stan's military dictators as well as the Kashmir separatist Islamic terror groups like Hurriyat and the LeT.
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                                    Curious onlooker
                                    May 2, 2017 at 9:09 am
                                    You can draw your red line all you want on paper but drawing it on the battle field is what makes it count. But this chicken Indian government is only brave enough to make noise and nothing else. Better for it to resign than carry on with its pretensions.
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                                      Rahul
                                      May 2, 2017 at 9:47 am
                                      Who was not chicken? Nehru who gave away one part of Jammu and Kashmir to porkistan and another part to china?
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                                    ayesha siddiqui
                                    May 2, 2017 at 6:16 am
                                    Erdogan the Killer of 400,000 muslims in syria, 150,000 Kurdish muslims, calls himself fearful of Allah, Because of this mans greed of territory, syrian women are selling themself in refugee camps. ad is a good guy if u compare with Erdogan. He planned his own coup to arrest thousands of innocents, buy oil from ISIS, sells refugees to Europe for Euro, Bombs kurdish children labelling them PKK terrorist, And he fooled turkey to vote him for president upto 2029, A and fascist Al-Saud puppet to restart ottoman empire over dead body of million of muslims ,lol
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                                      Mohammad Dar
                                      May 2, 2017 at 5:51 am
                                      hinduism is not a faith but a derogatory term used by the Persians to insult the natives of the subcontinent, check it out, it does not exist in hindu literature, but based on prefix hin, meaning negative, Hun great, Han, to be in greatness, and hind negative to both of them, and a hindu, noun in negativity to the truth, and hinduism way of the negativity to the truth. Original name of the faith is called, Sanatan Dherma, based on sane, to be wise, or wisdom, Noe stop being hindus idio ts, and call as your faith really is, Sanatan Dehrma, path of the wisdom. so it is time to thank, not curse, hindus, ignorant by birth. A gift from a Muslim.
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                                        ayesha siddiqui
                                        May 2, 2017 at 5:57 am
                                        Where did religion come in this article, madr ah made u stupid or what, even christianity is not mentioned in the bible, now go tell a christian this, lol, what a fool
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                                          Mohammad Dar
                                          May 2, 2017 at 6:24 am
                                          Sure because hind crime of hinduism racism is nothing else but hinduism racism by faith, it is known as Mithra ism, savior ism, and relabeled to hind fool humanity in its hindu crooked Sanskrit version, Christianity, the savior ism, old hindu crooked hinduism crime, with a new label.
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                                            secure
                                            May 2, 2017 at 7:28 am
                                            Ayesha siddiqui name is muslim but heart is belonged to safronist.
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                                              Curious onlooker
                                              May 2, 2017 at 9:32 am
                                              Brutalism and barbarity are the virtues exemplified in Islam and Ayesh Siddiqui is an exception to those attributes.
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                                              Arvind
                                              May 2, 2017 at 6:47 am
                                              Hindusim is a great and wise religion of the World. Unlike islam that eats its own, murderous and barbaric, killing women and children all around the world, with cruel dictators or religious fanatics. Islam is detested in the world everywhere.
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                                                Mohammad Dar
                                                May 2, 2017 at 7:05 am
                                                Sure in a hindrance to truth hindu immoral mind set. Wisdom without truth is not a wisdom , but demagoguery, foundation of hindrance to truth hinduism racism as a faith, and a crime against humanity, not a faith but, a crime of hinduism racism, wrapped in a hindu ugly wrapper of religion, to fool humanity. Learn to be a human in truth, than a hindu in hindrance to truth , in human form.
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                                                  secure
                                                  May 2, 2017 at 7:31 am
                                                  Ramayan and mahabharat and bahubali fighting is a religious fighting between Hindus only, and low caste dalit considered below animals this isbin hinduism also and approved by god.
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                                                  Curious onlooker
                                                  May 2, 2017 at 7:07 am
                                                  Don't try to propagate your murderous religion which is only sustained by the verse of the sword in Koran. If you are an Indian, you are lucky to be living there practicing your religion.
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                                                    Mohammad Dar
                                                    May 2, 2017 at 7:19 am
                                                    Do not worry about me, I rather live in a jungle, than to be in a hindu filthy swamp of hindrance to truth, hinduism racism called india.
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                                                      Curious onlooker
                                                      May 2, 2017 at 9:35 am
                                                      No wonder you exhibit traits of the jungle law.
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                                                      Krishnan
                                                      May 2, 2017 at 8:44 am
                                                      We really don't care what the Persians call us - Isla m is a foreign-origin faith with questionable application in India. As for the Persians, they don't much of their culture left anyways. And what most Abrahamic folllowers don't get is Hindu ism or Sanatana Dharma is not a doctrine - it's just custom. The PC term should really be Indian folk religion.
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                                                      Vertiti Scrutator
                                                      May 2, 2017 at 5:39 am
                                                      The two sides couldn't be more diametrically opposite each other!! For India terrorists are Islamic fundamentalists trained by Madr as in the use of AK47s to kill; while for Erdogan terrorists are those trained by Gulen in modern math and sciences to further peace and humanity!! It's funny that both sides come out and say that they will work together to fight terrorism!!
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                                                        Jerry Will
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                                                          Venkatraman Shenoy
                                                          May 2, 2017 at 5:44 am
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                                                            Curious onlooker
                                                            May 2, 2017 at 7:13 am
                                                            Your advertised trade is already a thriving cottage industry with Pak terrorists.
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